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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: June, 22, 2012 - 11:33pm 
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Clay Guida put on his running shoes tonight...never saw anyone get a warning for running away before haha. I am glad Maynard won.


Anderson got a warning for running in the Maia fight. Also you shouldn't be glad Gray won because he did not deserve it. There is absolutely no justification for giving him 3 rounds. The absolute best score card I could have seen for Gray was a 48-48 (10-9, 10-9, 10-10, 10-9, 10-9) draw. I had it was 49-47 Guida (10-9, 10-9, 10-9, 10-10, 9-10).

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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: June, 22, 2012 - 11:45pm 
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I can see round 3 going either way with all the running but man that was crap.

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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: June, 22, 2012 - 11:49pm 
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Wasn't even that bad. People were just expecting Guida vs Sanchez 2.

Also I don't think a single big MMA site that does play by play gave Maynard round 3.

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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: June, 22, 2012 - 11:56pm 
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Looked at a few more. I have seen absolutely every round go both way now except for 1.

Some nutjob site gave Maynard 2.

I saw a few giving 3 to Gray and a few giving 4 to Guida and one giving 5 to Guida and actually justified it decently since Guida landed substantially more standing and landed a serious headkick and while Maynard got the semi take down he didn't do shit with it but stall and land meaningless knees. I still think Maynard won the 5th but they have a point.

My issue with giving Gray 3 is he did jack shit until the end and Guida was landing consistently throughout the round it's kind of like Kampmann vs Sanchez, Sanchez was swinging harder but he landed so few shots compared to Kampmann that the power factor is not enough in that case nor was it enough here IMO. Also people act like Guida did nothing and Gray's 2 knees at the end won him the round but the knees barely fazed Guida and look at Clay's face before and after 3. All of the damage to the eye happened in 3.

Also I'd be willing to bet that for the majority everyone who thought Diaz beat Condit thought Maynard deserved this win and everyone who thought the judges got it right for Condit thinks the judges fucked this one up.

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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: June, 23, 2012 - 3:55pm 
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I hate Guida and his style of fighting so I'm glad he lost.
I dont like seeing the same fights over and over again like Maynard-Edgar IV but I can never root for Guida.

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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: June, 23, 2012 - 8:35pm 
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By the way I love how Guida went from being one of the most liked UFC fighters in MMA to one of the most hated off of 2 fights (Pettis and this one).

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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: June, 23, 2012 - 8:42pm 
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Forgot my picks for tonight:

This is a weird one and I'm doing this after I started so I'll be honest with the picks. Also I'm going to using nicknames not real names cause on TUF Brazil they went by nicknames and maybe said their real last names twice in the whole season with the exception of Damm.

Wand (just cause it's Brazil would be 50/50)
Mutante (Ferreira)
Pepey (Castro)
Werdum
Alcantara

Damm
Pe De Chumbo (Heleno) (Massaranduba normally fights at LW and this is a MW fight)
Wolverine (Viana) (although I think Macapa should have been given the nod against Damm on the show and when Damm got hurt he should have filled in)
Bodao (Perpetua)
Vina (Pancini)
Arantes


Added real last names in brackets since people who did not watch the show may not know.

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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: June, 23, 2012 - 10:56pm 
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This is interesting. Rony Jason was crying hard on his walkout.

Werdum looked great. TKOed Russow who's only other loss was a submission 12 fights/5 years ago.

Cool that both of the undersized dudes won. Wolverine is basically a Bantamweight fighting at FW and Drinaldo had never fought above 155 before TUF and blasted his opponent who is a natural 185er from the looks of him (the fight was MW).

Also I'm so happy Damm finished Gasparzinho (which I believe translates to Casper the friendly ghost) who was the biggest douche in the house.

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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: June, 24, 2012 - 1:06am 
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The card definitely was not worth the $60 glad I did not buy it. A whole lot of mediocre. The prelims were better than the main card IMO. Also both of the finals were lacking. At least the judges got every fight right.

I agree that Rich won 49-46. Rich got 1, 3, 4 and 5 Wanderlei won 2. A lot of people were claiming Wand won the 5th and should have gotten a 10-8 in the 2nd but that's crazy talk. Rich was on his way to a clear cut 10-9 in both rounds clearly winning the first 4 minutes. in the 5th Wand went nuts with 45 seconds left but Rich was connecting almost equally and dropped Want with 1-2 seconds left, 10-9 Rich. For the second Rich was clearly winning the first 4 minutes, got dropped and almost finished, that swings it to a 10-9 for Wanderlei but not a 10-8. If you switched it around in the last minute and Rich did that to Wand after the 4 minutes of clean 10-9 it would have been a 10-8 cause he was clearly winning then had serious dominance.

Both finals were kind of shitty. Pepey just kept pulling guard and both guys seemed way too trigger shy. The other final was much better but it kind of died down later on. Mutante was too afraid of the sub to get a finish. The judges definitely got both right but they were just okay. I think they were more scared of losing the contract than they were hungry to win it.

I missed a lot of the Alcantara-Dias fight but what I saw was just okay.

Best fight of the main card was Werdum-Russow.

Damm and Werdum probably looked the best overall.

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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: June, 24, 2012 - 8:46pm 
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So I rewatched the third round of Maynard Guida and I definitely think Guida should have gotten the decision. It was a pretty clear cut 48-47 Guida imo, with Guida winning 1-3 and Maynard taking 4 and 5.

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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: June, 25, 2012 - 7:27am 
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The lesson here is Finish the Fight. Don't give little shots and run away to score points.

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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: June, 26, 2012 - 12:38am 
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The real lesson is teach the judges how to score. Guida had 2 options in that fight. Fight smart, or lose. He fought smart and he still lost. Gray is the better/more powerful striker and wrestler, Guida had his speed/evasiveness. People always say, "finish the fight" but you should be able to rely on the judges to properly score a fight.

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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: July, 1, 2012 - 12:52am 
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Man Joe "Daddy" Stevenson is on one hell of a losing streak. Guy loses 4 UFC fights in a row and gets cut then tonight he loses by RNC to TUF reject Dakota Cochrane (the one who did gay porn).

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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: July, 2, 2012 - 3:09pm 
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UFC 148: Silva vs. Sonnen II is an upcoming mixed martial arts (MMA) pay-per-view event promoted by the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) on July 7, 2012. The card will feature six televised MMA bouts on pay-per-view, as well as five preliminary bouts. It is the seventeenth UFC event of the year and will take place at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.

Main Card on Pay-Per-View

Middleweight Championship bout
Anderson Silva (c) vs Chael Sonnen

Light Heavyweight bout
Forrest Griffin vs Tito Ortiz

Middleweight bout
Cung Le vs Patrick Côté

Welterweight bout
Dong Hyun Kim vs Demian Maia

Featherweight bout
Chad Mendes vs Cody McKenzie

Bantamweight bout
Ivan Menjivar vs Mike Easton


Preliminary Card on FX
Gleison Tibau vs Khabib Nurmagomedov
Melvin Guillard vs Fabrício Camões
Constantinos Philippou vs Riki Fukuda
John Alessio vs Shane Roller

Preliminary Card on Facebook
Rafaello Oliveira vs Yoislandy Izquierdo

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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: July, 4, 2012 - 2:19pm 
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Anderson Silva
Forrest Griffin
Patrick Cote (massively hard pick but Cung Le has never made it to the judges [4 KOs, 3 TKOs, 1 KO loss, 1 TKO loss] and Cote has never been T/KOed [except when his knee blew out while fighting Anderson but that's a TKO due to injury] I think Cote has better wins, and has looked better recently)
Demian Maia (I would love it if DHK tried to LnP Maia and got caught in a triangle)
Cody McKenzie (going for the massive upset. I think it would be pretty funny if Cody caught Mendes in that guillotine. Pretty crazy match up since Mendes is widely considered the #2 FW and McKenzie is making his FW debut)
Ivan Menjiver

Khabib Nurmagomedov (risky pick, Tibau is massive for a LW. I just want to see someone who is an International Master of Sports in combat sambo do decently)
Fabricio Camoes (going for Guillard losing by submission for the 3rd time in a row lol)
Constantinos Philippou
John Alessio (I think it's time for Roller to make his exit from the UFC)

Yoislandy Izquierdo (these are the hardest fights to pick for since both men have done acceptably outside of the UFC but very poorly in it, one is 0-1 in the UFC the other is 1-4 in two UFC stints)

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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: July, 5, 2012 - 11:25am 
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Anderson Silva (I want Sonnen but Silva is going to be in rare form)
Tito Ortiz (I hate Tito but he might be fired up since its his last fight, Forrest looks shitty on occasion)
Cung Le
Demian Maia
Chad Mendes
Ivan Menjivar

Gleison Tibau
Melvin Guillard
Constantinos Philippou (my UFC doppleganger)
John Alessio

Rafaello Oliveira

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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: July, 5, 2012 - 5:49pm 
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I don't know why anyone wants Sonnen to win. Guy has had some pretty meh fights. His 3 biggest UFC highlights are submitting Stann, getting submitted by Anderson, and getting submitted by Maia (stupidly easily, Maia tossed him into mount then made him look like he's never fought off of his back).

His trash talk is entertaining but I don't want a guy like him holding the belt. I know everyone has to lose eventually but I really hope Chael isn't the one to end Anderson's streak.

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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: July, 5, 2012 - 7:21pm 
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I come from a pro wrestling childhood and partial adulthood so I love the entertainment that Chael brings. I loved what Brock did too.
Nothing wrong with a little entertainment to go along with your sport. Trash talking is great and Chael is the king of it.

And I'm sick of Anderson Silva. After that Maia fight, I hated him. I don't care who it is. I want everyone to beat him.
I just think Chael would be great as champion trash talking everyone. Sure, he's not the greatest. Far from it. But I want to see him wear the belt for a bit.

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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: July, 5, 2012 - 9:08pm 
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My issue is that this is not wrestling. I know for a fact that Chael is putting on a character and I do not like it. I already hate that MMA and wrestling get clumped together and this makes that worse.

Also you're crazy. That Maia fight was garbage but Silva was making a point. He was supposed to fight Vitor and Vitor hurt himself so they gave him Maia on short notice If I remember correctly Anderson wanted to wait a bit more then fight Vitor but the higher ups made him force Maia. Anderson felt Maia did not deserve his title shot (he did not, he was on a 1 fight winstreak, a "meh" win over an unranked Dan Miller) so he purposely (undeniable that it was on purpose) put on a shitty performance. Guess what, they have not tried to do anything like that since and Silva has been fine since.

I will not let one horrible fight ruin a fighter for me. Since the Maia fight he has had an insane 5th round comeback and two amazing (T)KOs.

There is not a single current middleweight that I would root for against Anderson Silva, he is one of the first fighters that got me REALLY into MMA so it would take some crazy shit for me to turn on him.

Also I don't want a cheating criminal as the MW champion.

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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: July, 6, 2012 - 7:07am 
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He should have made a point by finishing him quickly if he really thought he was that inferior.
Instead it was a garbage main event that I paid for.
He could have stood there and said "look at me now, I destroyed the best guy you put out".
Instead he ran around like a fool and looked like an idiot. It was embarrassing.
I wish Dana put his next title defense on the preliminary card like he threatened to do.

I'm ready for Anderson to go down and for Chael to cut some great promos.
I don't think Chael is actually going to win though. In fact, I think Anderson is going to man handle him this time around.

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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: July, 6, 2012 - 11:38am 
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Finishing him quickly does nothing. If he finishes him quickly the UFC loves it and are willing to make a fight like that happen again.

I agree that the fight is one of the worst in UFC history but I kind of get the logic behind his actions (Also I have to note that I did not pay for the event, if I did I'd likely be completely with you).

Oh also interesting thing. Apparently in the little documentary thing on Anderson (I think it's called Like Water) there is some footage of Anderson in the locker room with the Nog's before the Chael fight saying "I'm going to submit him" Big Nog says something like "You're going to knock his ass out" and he just says "No. Submission" or something like that. I still think Chael did VERY well and has a pretty decent chance at winning (it's easier to improve sub defense than it is to improve TDD) but I hope Anderson comes out and makes Chael look foolish.

Also even if Anderson loses I would not be surprised if he had an immediate rematch. He has had the belt for so long that I doubt it would take more than 1 win to earn another shot if they don't do an instant rematch. The only way I don;t see him getting a quick rematch is if he loses a fight (unlikely, but you never know) or if he retires (more likely).

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 Post subject: Re: UFC
PostPosted: July, 7, 2012 - 10:20pm 
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I'm not watching this one live (first time in almost 2 years, I also missed the last Silva-Sonnen fight) but every single undercard fight went the distance.

Also apparently there was a fucking ridiculous robbery. Almost everyone I've seen so far had the Tibau fight scored anywhere from 29-28 to 30-27 for Tibau and the judges had a unanimous 30-27 for Nurmagomedov.

edit: actually I'm hearing things from all sides of this now. To me it's starting to sound more like a draw.

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PostPosted: July, 7, 2012 - 11:05pm 
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So I managed to catch Maia vs Stun Gun and that was the weirdest "finish" I've ever seen. Maia took him down and that was it. I think Kim broke a rib or something. Super weird.

Also I clearly was not thinking straight when I picked McKenzie. I was thinking "oh yeah, Mendes is a wrestler, he'll take Cody down then boom, guillotine. What I really should have been thinking was, "Oh yeah Cody has the worst striking in the entire UFC, every single fighter would beat him standing and Mendes is a awesome wrestler so he will have no problem keeping it on the feet and obliterating McKenzie."

Oops.

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PostPosted: July, 7, 2012 - 11:12pm 
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Also that went from 90 minutes of UD fights (all of the prelims and Easton vs Menjiver) to 1:18 of TKOs.

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PostPosted: July, 8, 2012 - 12:40am 
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BA BOOOOSH!

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